Copyright Issues Regarding Food Recipes..Things You Need To know

Posted by Toni6921 Toni6921 on 06/24/2009 12:47 PM

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Mixingbowl Family and Friends,

     There are so many recipes posted here everyday, that I thought it would be a good idea to know where we all stand legally, when we post a recipe.  The information I'm posting as part of this discussion was taken from Recipezaar, which is a site I have used many times to research new recipes.  The information is below:

 

 

008: Recipes and Copyright

Copyright protects creative works (written or artistic). Though we think of cooking as art, that does not make a recipe copyrightable.

"A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection."
  —
The Copyright Office of the US Government

A list of ingredients cannot be copyrighted. An idea, concept, system or method of doing something cannot be copyrighted either. Only the substantially literary expression associated with a recipe can be copyrighted. To the extent there are only so many ways to say "boil water" it is not creative, or therefore protected as copyright. If the recipe directions or description are a wholesale copy of another person's creative literary expression, they are in violation of copyright.  So, even if the recipe originated elsewhere, and even if the ingredients are still the same, if the directions and description of your posted recipe are in your own words, it is your recipe.  My Note Here....In Your Own Words....

Keep reading for more information.

What is copyright?
Copyright is a "branch of law granting authors the exclusive privilege to reproduce, distribute, perform, or display their creative works. The goal of copyright law is to encourage authors to invest effort in creating new works of art and literature. ...Not every product of the human imagination is eligible for copyright. To qualify for copyright protection, a work must be both fixed and original. The law considers a work to be fixed if it is recorded in some permanent format. ...To be original, the work must not be copied from previously existing material and must display at least a reasonable amount of creativity. For example, if an author writes the words "the sky is blue" on a piece of paper, copyright does not protect the words because they lack sufficient creativity. ...Copyright only protects the words, notes, or images that the creator has used. It does not protect any ideas or concepts revealed by the work. If, for example, a scientist publishes an article explaining a new process for refining oil, the copyright prevents others from copying the words of that article. It does not, however, prevent anyone else from using the process described to refine oil. To protect the process, the scientist must obtain a patent.
  --Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia

In other words, Copyright is intended to protect artwork, not techniques like recipes. Copyright protects your fiction and expression, it doesn't protect ideas or methods.  You have to get a patent to protect those.  Furthermore copyright only protects truly creative works, works of fiction, essays, musical compositions, etc..

So the literary expression in the form of directions or description might be protected, if it can be proven to be truly creative. In other words, a lasagna recipe with 3 basic steps (cook the noodles, make the sauce, and bake for an hour) is not copyrightable — no matter how tasty — because it is obvious, not creative. Or a collection of recipes into the unique presentation of a cookbook is copyrightable due to the choice of the collection and it's arrangement, not the individual recipes themselves. For more information, download the US Government PDF on Copyright of Recipes

Where does Recipezaar stand? A list of ingredients is a list of ingredients, the government doesn't care and neither do we. But when it comes to other people's description and directions don't copy the flowery stuff, put it in your own words. You probably made the recipe, and you probably did it slightly different than the original directions anyway  Describe what you did.  If you copy the literary work of someone else, post it on Recipezaar, and they notify us with proof of the violation, we will immediately remove your recipe and you could be liable for damages. If someone else copies your recipes from our site, and uses them as their own, we would want to protect your original work and demand they be removed. So, don't copy. However, we encourage our users to try recipes from other places, and post them to Recipezaar in their own words. We don't mind if you include information about where you got the recipe from,  as long as the description and directions are in your own words.

 

      Whenever I see a recipe that interests me, I always put my spin on it, and change the ingredients.  I cannot leave a recipe alone to save my life.  Any recipe that I have posted as my own, the directions are always in my own words, because I write for people who may have never cooked anything in their lives..  There is no implied knowledge.    This is something that I see as the failure of a lot of cookbooks and recipe websites.  They assume you have knowledge about cooking techniques that you may not have in your arsenal.

     For example, most baking recipes that require the use of butter will say that it should be at "Room Temperature".  That depends on the room, doesn't it?  Actually, the butter can be cool to the touch, but it should be bendable.  Some new bakers have experienced failure because the butter was almost liquid because the room was too warm. 

     I would advise you to download the US PDF on Copyright of Recipes within this post. 

 

Toni

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Toni--  I'd been wondering about that.  Thanks for going to the trouble of researching and posting!

Posted by hiitsceli hiitsceli on 10/27/2009 08:34 AM

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I couldn't edit the last part of my post so please disregard. How do others feel about this just created situation?

Posted by REBlue REBlue on 10/25/2009 01:59 PM

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I don't think anyone on this site (MB) is trying to copyright or write a cookbook to publsh!  All we are doing here is

sharing!  We post where the recipes came from so what is the problem here?  If this is what our fun site has become then I'm out of here!

share recipes with others then I'm out!

Posted by REBlue REBlue on 10/25/2009 01:56 PM

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This is the info I am aware of. I have 2 cookbooks I created. The recipes came from other people's saved ones and some from books. I changed every one of them. I was told legally I am fine. It becomes my recipe due to my changes on it. When I post a deep frying recipe on here, I reveal the source. Credit is given where credit is due. That is the legal guidelines. I was told by 2 cookbook publishing companies I was completely safe.

Posted by chefkeith chefkeith on 10/24/2009 05:11 PM

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Another question about copying from a cookbook.  This is for a fundraiser for my daughter's school.  I wanted to put some recipes in it that I found in a cookbook I have which is no longer published.  The publisher is out of business, also.  The author is deceased.  The recipes were originally donated to the book by well-known artists and their names are given.  I wanted to use those recipes, crediting their names and also the book they came from.  Most of the ten recipes were written by people who are now deceased, also.  I was given the name and contacted the attorney who handled the estate of the person who originally wrote/edited the cookbook.  He said he would look into it if I gave him a lot more information, but didn't give me an answer.  We do not want to pay an attorney to look into this and were hoping there is a simple explanation somewhere.  Anyone familiar with any situation like this one?  Thanks!

Posted by yellowbird yellowbird on 10/24/2009 03:40 PM

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Sometimes just giving credit to the recipe's original source/developer isn't enough.  if you look at the copyright page of most cookbooks, you'll see that prior permission and sometimes even paid fees are required before one can legally "reproduce by any means" a recipe.  I'm reminded of the skirmish a few months back  between CI and a blogger who offered a potato salad recipe that was "adapted" from CI.  She fully acknowledged CI's "inspiration" for the recipe then tweaked it and personalized it and they STILL came after her.  So...tread cautiously.

Posted by ShoeboxChef ShoeboxChef on 07/14/2009 08:53 PM

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Thankyou for taking your time to do this research It is inportant information that I for one was not fully aware of .

Posted by shellannp shellannp on 07/06/2009 08:25 PM

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Kitchendiva,

The answer to your question is that ATK stands for American Test Kitchen.They also have a couple of magazines I believe Cooks and Cooks Country are the two I have subscribed to in the past.They are known for testing recipes and methods of cooking to try to produce the BEST version of a recipe.They also publish cookbooks of their recipes.I do respect the research and production of their products and will not "knowingly" post one of their recipes.They are of superior quality (at least the ones I have tried).

Posted by zendi zendi on 07/06/2009 08:09 PM

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Hi all, I'm new to this site. What does ATK stand for? It was mentioned in a couple of the earlier posts... thanks!

Posted by KitchenDiva KitchenDiva on 07/06/2009 07:56 PM

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Now a fun site has become a legal issue. Any recipes I have posted, I have given credit, where, credit was due.  I refer to Allrecipes.com, for a lot of my menus and wanted to share with Mixing Bowl Friends.  I feel I have credited Allrecipes.com, as needed.  Many people have different tastes and different concepts.  Too bad, all of us are not of current legal knowledge.  I researched back and can see, a lot of my recipes are, credited to Allrecipes.com.  What you are talking about is called plaguerism? Not giving credit, where credit is due?  I give credit to all recipe sites, in the spirit of sharing information.  I suppose when all of us want to share a simple Mac ' N ' Cheese recipe, with variations, I need to have my lawyer, on retainer?  This is SAD.

Posted by DooDah2 DooDah2 on 07/05/2009 05:42 PM

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